In this episode, host Armand DiMele engages in a deep conversation with guests Kent Robertshaw and Anne O’Connell about the complexities of truth, innocence, and the human experience. They explore themes of gullibility, cynicism, and the importance of psychotherapy in treating mental health issues. The discussion touches on the challenges faced by mental health practitioners in building trust with clients, especially those with histories of substance abuse and trauma. The guests share insights from their experiences in outpatient mental health clinics, emphasizing the need for compassion and understanding in therapy.